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@AirTime
yes exactly. i wasn't moaning, it was more of a general observation. i'm not sure why T-V tried to turn this into some kind of them and us class war. 'a new class of member' what a load of rubbish.
where they meet won't put me off a club at all. its the attitude of the members and where they go, what other things they arrange and whether i find other members who want to go out on fast training rides etc etc. i was thinking more of the first time riders who aren't familiar with the area and nervous about going along on their own that's all. anyway..........