• Then again, just to play devil's advocate, marmot did make it pretty clear in his post that he was calling himself out for being a twat. In circumstances where someone's said (to all intents and purposes) 'my bad, I acted like a twat', saying 'you're a twat' is probably redundant. And I believe there is an old saying about greenhouses and stones, and the projectile use thereof.

  • Then again, just to play devil's advocate, marmot did make it pretty clear in his post that he was calling himself out for being a twat. In circumstances where someone's said (to all intents and purposes) 'my bad, I acted like a twat', saying 'you're a twat' is probably redundant. And I believe there is an old saying about greenhouses and stones, and the projectile use thereof.

    Agreed, digging on someone that already done it to themselves isn't necessarily helpful but behaving like that is likely far worse for all of us. I've asked this before:

    Have you ever wondered why some people (drivers/peds/cyclists) seem to absolutely blow up for seemingly nothing?* I had that fat racist Millwall thug aim punches at my head simply for being in front of him. I had that scandinavian fella fight me with a metal bar despite him almost taking me out. Whose to say these guys weren't harbouring residual anger from shit-house behaviour like kicking their vehicles before getting off? Who is to say that a Law Lord with the power to make positive change hasn't had knobler behaviour like that mentioned that has colored his/her view? I've had a driver take me out yet no neutrals wanted to step forward to be witnesses. Why?

    *nojihadist

    I'm not proud of occasions when I've lost it and have called myself out but at least there's been a massive provocation or a build up.

    That girl that accidentally smashed the driver's door against the driver a few months back but kept riding despite me suggesting that she had a responsibility to stop and make sure the driver was ok; who could blame that driver now facing a repair bill/insurance claim for the damaged caused, for maybe not giving way for the next cyclist at that pinch point due to road works (ask Corny)? If any of you face such aggression, maybe question where it comes from.

    This is not an apologist post for idiots behind the wheel but like it or not we are vulnerable and I'd rather not have some else bear the indirect brunt of my actions. Yes, there are an infinite number of reasons that could lead to a terrible reaction that have zero to do with cyclists but the words I hear flowing from mouths (in person and on social media) make me think some of these encounters must have some connection to bikes.

  • who could blame that driver now facing a repair bill/insurance claim for the damaged caused, for maybe not giving way for the next cyclist at that pinch point due to road works

    I could. Just because one person on a bike has fucked you off doesn't mean that all people on bikes are cunts. And if someone is too dim to take that into account whilst driving their car then they shouldn't be fucking driving a car.

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    Sounds like you're suggesting that all cyclists have a collective responsibility, and it absolutely is an apologist post for idiots behind the wheel.

  • If any of you face such aggression, maybe question where it comes from.
    This is not an apologist post for idiots behind the wheel but like it or not we are vulnerable and I'd rather not have some else bear the indirect brunt of my actions.

    Well said Multi grooves. wouldhaverepped

    If I'm in a group ride, and some twat at the front starts jumping the lights and pissing off drivers, the rest of us are affected. The same applies in a broader sense.

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