Is it time to start calling out bad cyclists?

Since you ask - I don't really follow why you stopping or otherwise was related to him abusing the other guy...

He may be none of those things but he was certainly 'doing whatever the fuck he liked' so I guess you both have that in common.

I once tried to tell a guy his front light bracket had failed and that he was illuminating the floor behind him at the exact moment he sailed past me through a red light. All he heard was "...light..." apparently as he quite aggressively turned and had a go at me. I chased him down and once I'd got a word in through the vitriol, managed to alert him to his plight. He was just as miserable about that. Should have let him sail into the roundabout unhindered.

Oh mikec, why don't you just avoid Regent's Park? It's clear that you don't like it, and now it's got you behaving like a twat in an attempt to punish twattish behaviour in others.

Well we hear both sides of the divide on this thread don't we.

Everyone's a twat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5NjcZRbPrk&t=0m50s

OK so. What gives him the ride to have a go at me?
Is he
a. My wife?
b. A member of my family?
c. A friend?
d. My boss?
e. The police?

I know he is not a or b and I don't think he is c and I know he's not my boss so I was asking him the question. What right does he have to tell me what to do if I am not interfering with him as an individual and am not part of some collective group that I chose not to represent?

More general question - why does someone have to know you in order to have an opinion (albeit a negative one) on your behaviour? Given that we're all judging each other all the time, is it voicing the opinion that's the issue, or should we all try harder to ignore the behaviour of people we don't know?

Kind of makes me think about the shouty folk on Jeremy Kyle shouting "You don't know me, so don't judge me!"

I don't need to know you to think you're a fool, love.

Now I'm judging you for watching Jeremy Kyle.

He has every right to call you out for jumping a red light. Just like Keith from Nuts in May, he's a "good citizen who is aware of his responsibilities"...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCzKOYUvD3E

OK so. What gives him the ride to have a go at me?
Is he
a. My wife?
b. A member of my family?
c. A friend?
d. My boss?
e. The police?

I know he is not a or b and I don't think he is c and I know he's not my boss so I was asking him the question. What right does he have to tell me what to do if I am not interfering with him as an individual and am not part of some collective group that I chose not to represent?

Well, we all live in the same society, under the same set of rules. So yes, anyone has the right to call you out for law breaking. Being a relative or a law keeper is not a requirement.

Since you ask - I don't really follow why you stopping or otherwise was related to him abusing the other guy...

It's Monday morning.

More general question - why does someone have to know you in order to have an opinion (albeit a negative one) on your behaviour? Given that we're all judging each other all the time, is it voicing the opinion that's the issue, or should we all try harder to ignore the behaviour of people we don't know?

Kind of makes me think about the shouty folk on Jeremy Kyle shouting "You don't know me, so don't judge me!"

I don't need to know you to think you're a fool, love.

Do we all really have the time to have a go at people for minor infringements.

Shall I shout at the people I see dropping cigarettes on the floor?
Shall I shout at people in the parks whose dogs are not on leads in the green area?
Shall I shout at people who push in at bus stops or at the bar?

Shall I shout at the people I see dropping cigarettes on the floor?

I do, but that's because **I fucking hate **littering, not because there is a law against it.

Well you don't need to shout at them.

But generally yes, society would probably be a better place if we all made an effort to let inconsiderate people know that their inconsiderate behaviour is unacceptable to the rest of us.

Sadly it is often difficult to perform such civic duties without sounding like a sanctimonious twat! Some people have this skill though - perhaps it should be taught in schools...

But generally yes, society would probably be a better place if we all made an effort to let inconsiderate people know that their inconsiderate behaviour is unacceptable to the rest of us.

Very much this.

I do, but that's because **I fucking hate **littering, not because there is a law against it.

So every time you walk anywhere in London and see someone dropping a cigarette on the floor you have a go at them?
I'm not a great fan of litter but I can't imagine getting anything else done if you take this approach

Ethical RLJs, anyone?

If not I'll just leave this here:

So every time you walk anywhere in London and see someone dropping a cigarette on the floor you have a go at them?
I'm not a great fan of litter but I can't imagine getting anything else done if you take this approach

does dropping a fag end cause everyone around me to fixate on the fact that i've just dropped a fag end when they should be focusing on pointing the soon to be speeding ton of metal and glass in a safe and considerate manner?

probably not.

I think you have taken a step to far in your argument as I am not following the logic?

I saw a nice couple walking their dogs. One asked the other if they had a bag as the dog had shit on the path. Yes, she said. He walked towards her and they chatted a bit as I'll rolled further away. Then, as a certain time had passed and they were a few feet from the shit, they just smiled, held hands and left it there. A taxi then pulled out in front of me going up Regent St so I shouted at him instead. I consider myself the twat in this.

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the assertion that sticking to an anti-litter mantra means you wouldn't get anything done because you'd be too busy having a go at people littering all the time makes no sense to me?

RLJing at empty ped crossings with no traffic behind/infront isn't too bad, we don't need to be under the thumb of lady road justice all the time, but trying to wind someone up for calling you out on a low-scale dick move.... come on, grow up a bit plz

It's like I've gone back in time and I'm still stupid

In NYC plenty of take-out food is delivered by bicycle. Normally these dudes ride on the sidewalk, the wrong way up one way streets, skip lights (everyone does here), etc.

Last night I was walking to a movie at 10pm, it was pretty dark and there was a pizza delivery dude riding fixed... brakelesss... and was holding the pizza with one hand and steering with the other... and no foot retention.

That implies that you became not-stupid at some point in the last 48 hours.

Just sayin'.

It's like I've gone back in time. And I'm still stupid.

Honest, if a bit of a non sequitur.