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• #402
That was a very old stickers.
They are devoid of responsibility with or without sticker.
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• #403
Found the topic;
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• #404
Thanks, i thought it unlikely not to have been discussed already. Even so more GRRRRR.
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• #405
csb
Though taxis are one of the few professional driver groups that have hardly engaged with any cyclists awareness training . **A gap in their knowledge which according to TfL cycle safety action plan (http://www.lfgss.com/thread31959.html) means they are involved in proportionally the most ksi's
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Makes sense....
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• #406
Not sure if there's a generic thread about road safety, but in a similar vein...
I'm not normally one to care too much for terminology but cyclists are always "in a collision with" or "accident". The story right next to it reads "car driver killed". This is the kind of subtle reporting differences that hugely alter public perception.
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• #407
Not sure if there's a generic thread about road safety, but in a similar vein...
I'm not normally one to care too much for terminology but cyclists are always "in a collision with" or "accident". The story right next to it reads "car driver killed". This is the kind of subtle reporting differences that hugely alter public perception.
Christ, yeah. Good spot. The "cyclist dies" is very passive, isn't it? Like they just went out on their bike one day and dropped dead coincidentally at the time a car hit them, rather than the car being the cause of the death.
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• #408
Science fail!
Badly driven cars don't kill cyclist, not wearing helmets does.
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• #409
It's like when they report things like 'car overturns in middle of road' rather than 'driver loses control of car, rolls it, because they are a douche' etc
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• #410
Cars steer their drivers, we just have this illusion we are in control.
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• #411
Christ, yeah. Good spot. The "cyclist dies" is very passive, isn't it? Like they just went out on their bike one day and dropped dead coincidentally at the time a car hit them, rather than the car being the cause of the death.
It's just "something that happened", not a consequence of any changeable factors or attitudes.
Such a shame because I suspect most of the time this is unconscious and without malice on the part of the writer.
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• #412
^
ReppedI've searched this thread and it doesn't look like this one has been mentioned (forgive me if it has)
I saw a truck today with two stickers, the one on the left had an arrow pointing left
'cyclist suicide'
And then one on the right, pointing right
'cyclist safe side'Feel quite angry about this - as though it is the cyclist at fault if they find themselves on the inside and the driver is completely devoid of responsibility. Grrrr.
It's raises a question: When is a cyclist (at least partly) responsible for going down the left of a large vehicle that has bright orange lights flashing telling the world they're turning left when the vehicle gets to the junction before the cyclist?
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• #413
Answer; we were all taught to hug the kerbs and undertake everything, because that what's expected of us.
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• #414
That is not an answer.
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• #415
It's how it got started, and now undertaking is regarded as a normal practice when riding a bicycles, much like riding on pavements.
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• #416
Christ, yeah. Good spot. The "cyclist dies" is very passive, isn't it? Like they just went out on their bike one day and dropped dead coincidentally at the time a car hit them, rather than the car being the cause of the death.
Even you forget that its not the car that causes anything... its the driver!
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• #417
It's how it got started, and now undertaking is regarded as a normal practice when riding a bicycles, much like riding on pavements.
Up until 14 I was always told to stop riding in the road and stay on the pavement, then I was told to stop riding on the pavement and start riding in the road and sit in the gutter out of the way, Which I still get shouted at me, aka that I shouldn't be more than a meter from the edge of the road.
Luckly I was never really one for doing as I was told but a lot of people will only have ridden bikes as children, where they were taught to ride on the pavement or edge of the road. so that's what they will expect
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• #418
^ yep, my gf will not ride more than a few feet from the gutter, despite me constantly telling her she would be better off. She quite often gets irritable with me for riding further out as I'm "in the way of cars trying to pass"
She has been taught all her life to cycle like that and thinks I'm being a militant car hating cyclist or something for doing different.
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• #419
Spotted one of the TFL "stay back" stickers this morning in Edinburgh, FFS.
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• #421
^ yep, my gf will not ride more than a few feet from the gutter, despite me constantly telling her she would be better off. She quite often gets irritable with me for riding further out as I'm "in the way of cars trying to pass"
She has been taught all her life to cycle like that and thinks I'm being a militant car hating cyclist or something for doing different.
cycle training?
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• #422
Wouldn't it be great if people weren't taught wrong in the first place tho?
Reminds me...must watch Kung Pow again soon.
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• #423
spotted a guy with 'cars stay back' tattooed on his calf.. complete with little car image instead of a bicycle.. sadly no photo...
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• #424
Reminds me...must watch Kung Pow again soon.
"Betty has gone too far. Killing is wrong, and bad. There should be a new, stronger word for killing like badwrong or badong. YES, killing is badong. From this moment, I will stand for the opposite of killing, gnodab."
Awesome.
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• #425
cycle training?
would definitely be useful but I doubt she would go for it.
Thats a load of wank. How fucking safe is it if the truck is going right. Regardless of the victim-blaming that is really going to encourage careless cycling; "they may have been indicating right, but the sticker said that side was safe!"