Which Groupset?

cool cool, thanks a lot, it ends up being pretty insightful, i might have dreams of continuous shifting pretty soon

...simultaneously changing down gear and braking coming into a hairpin on a fast descent.

That too.

I actually love the ability to shift up fully independent of the brake on busy descents, when you're picking up speed.

Have I missed Di2 going wireless? Looks to be here http://road.cc/content/news/122353-tour-de-france-tech-2014-canyon%E2%80%99s-new-aeroad-cf-slx-r28

Internal cable routing, no?

Magnets

The cables from the control box are all leccy taped to the rear brake cable, can't see it because its all NDS but there must be a single entry to the frame (or the holes are very close together) internal wiring system. Bit of a ballache and some very tidy wrenching basically...

But once it's done, it's done - generally for the life of the frame.

Oleg Tinkov reviews groupsets.

First ever pave ride in my life, Arenberg was fun.I kinda like it, pity that our boys keep dropping me every section :-) .All great but SRAM

I HAD TO USE MY LAST YEAR BIKE HERE IN FRANCE, BUT #SRAM IS REAL SRAM. IN RUSSIAN SRAM MEANS SHAME BY THE WAY.

Have biked today on hilly South France roads. . After automatic Shimano that I just used to, what a POOR quality of @SRAMracing components.

Until one of the internal sleeves comes loose and a ferrule drops into your frame, turning it into a really expensive percussion instrument....

Lol @ tinkoff. Aren't SRAM sponsoring them?

Yes. But it's known his own ST bike has dura ace on it, not sponsord sram.

I'm pretty sure they're changing bike/component sponsor next year too.

IN RUSSIAN SRAM MEANS SHAME BY THE WAY.
he probabely have not heard what sram means in polish...

yeah. no sram for Saxo next year then

Dunno why everyone gets so hung up on groupset choice. They all work, so if you have a problem then its either badly set up, or user error.
Humans have evolved more than any other creature on earth, I'm sure we can all cope with pushing a lever in a slightly different way...

Sorry Dan, which should I buy?

Dunno why everyone gets so hung up on groupset choice. They all work, so if you have a problem then its either badly set up, or user error.
Humans have evolved more than any other creature on earth, I'm sure we can all cope with pushing a lever in a slightly different way...

Am practically a gorilla, lack of opposable thumbs means campagno-no.

When is the 105 hydraulic disc brake stuff coming out and how much pricier than mechanical might it be?

Sorry Dan, which should I buy?

Whichever is most expensive, obviously

^^ Deets here: http://www.bikerumor.com/2014/03/31/shimanos-all-new-11-speed-105-5800-group-plus-new-mechanical-hydraulic-road-disc-brakes/

Chainreaction keeps pushing the date on 5800 which is now at 18th aug; I have 2 friends waiting for that groupset to build bikes ..

I'm sure they'll have much more fun this summer refreshing browser pages than they would have had riding those bikes with groupsets which were actually available...

£400 for the mechanical hydraulic shifters and brakes, in stock at Evans.

http://www.evanscycles.com/products/shimano/r785-di2-hydraulic-drop-bar-sti-with-calipers-ec055840?country=GB&currency=GBP

^^ They dont have bikes ..

Quite...

Thats the Di2 shifters