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@JWestland
Excellent tx Ed :)
Shortarse here needs a setback for her 49x51 Ciocc...too much weight on my hands atm. No toe overlap though with 700C on such a tiny frame.
But the way to get there was to move the front wheel forward and seat tube more "vertical" which means more set back is needed. However vintage seatposts/saddles don't offer this, so a cheap modern one is needed.