For Sale: Santini Pista

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  • Hi All,
    I'm selling this great frame together with some others to buy some studio photography lights. I'm happy to swap part/exchange with some bowens strobes.

    Santini Pista Track
    54x54
    Tubing: Unknown, probably Columbus Aelle, since it takes a 26.8 seatpost
    Rear: 120mm
    Front: 100mm
    Condition: Straight and true, quite a few scratches and marks that I tried to catch in the pictures.

    Excellent ride, don't be put off by the lack of info on the tubing and the (various) scratches, this is a great frame. It's stiff and comfy at the same time, it might not be the lightes of frames but it truly is special.

    Price: £SOLD

    I can throw in the Campy Record headset and Veloce BB for free.

    ](http://s633.photobucket.com/user/shironish/media/Santini%20Pista/DSC_0371.jpg.html)[/IMG]

    More Pics here:
    http://www.pedalroom.com/bike/santini-pista-10627

    http://s633.photobucket.com/user/shironish/library/Santini%20Pista?sort=3&page=1

  • can you ship outside UK? Switzerland?

    cannot send a pm, btw.

  • DIBS - PM'd

  • pmed

  • Looks great. Would be all over that if it was a tad bit smaller. glws!

  • How much for delivery within uk ?

  • Its gone

  • always more interesting to know what these things sold for.. (!)

  • (instead of £SOLD) - how much did it sell for??!

  • (instead of £SOLD) - how much did it sell for??!

    Same.
    I'd love to know.

  • I think what things sell for is between buyer and seller really - I've sold lots of stuff cheap and at a loss when I needed money and sometimes made more than I paid (like the time I bought a 'C- record Chorus' double chainset on Ebay that turned out to be a Record Pista with an extra chain ring).
    Anyway re the Santini - if you would like it you can make me an offer as Dave Le Grys has just told me I need a 57cm track frame and the Santini is 54 !
    Nicest track frame I ever had.
    Cheers Si

  • True, if a deal is bartered then of course, that's down to the parties involved to share at their discretion. If you don't want to share, that's up to you and we all respect that.

    The benefit of sharing that information however is that buyers can gauge the market value of similar items in order to know what sensible offers are or what they can afford in their price range etc... and in addition, it prevents people from re-selling later at a profit.

  • ... and in addition, it prevents people from re-selling later at a profit.

    What's wrong with selling at a profit? It's like investing in a house and then selling it on several years later..if you're willing to run the risk (the market can inflate OR deflate) then that's up to you, isn't it?

  • Buying something from the forum cheap, like this frame was, then selling it on for a profit back to the forum, is extremely poor form.

    Same goes for buying cheap here then selling elsewhere for profit.

    There are arguments that if you procure something elsewhere then you can sell here for what you like, but you are liable to be called out if you take the piss.

  • What's wrong with selling at a profit? It's like investing in a house and then selling it on several years later..if you're willing to run the risk (the market can inflate OR deflate) then that's up to you, isn't it?

    Is that a serious question?

    If it is, you haven't understood the point of the LFGSS classifieds.
    They're not set up in order for people to make money and have a second income! They exist so a community can buy, sell and trade in items specific to our shared interests.

    Many sales here are made in order to raise funds for worthy causes, it's good manners to donate to the every day running costs of the forum which you're using too because there of course is no staff and no ad based revenue either.

    There are people who hand make things, have successful small businesses and do make a nominal profit from their wares but this is encouraged because we'd all like to see bespoke and boutique products made by forum users... Forum users with a yellow star next to their username.

    If 'the market' were to fluctuate, we'd all know about it and we'd all be willing to pay what things are worth but I think you'll find if you held an item for several years until it's value had, in your opinion increased enough to warrant a sale at profit, you'd get called out. Some smart-arse will likely chime in with "This is overpriced. These were selling for less a while ago. Etc".

    This is a community and the ultimate goal is to have more people riding bikes.

    If you want to make a profit or gamble on the investments you've made, go to ebay.

  • I agree with privatepatterson to a certain extent - I think the profit precentage is irrelevant though. I think the forum community idea is correct and items should be offered to fellow forum members at below market value but profit / loss does not really come into it. If I paid £70 for a crankset that can now be bought for £25 on sale somewhere I'd offer it at £15 say and If I paid £10 for a vintage chainset worth £100 I'd offer it at £50.

  • Is that a serious question?

    If it is, you haven't understood the point of the LFGSS classifieds.
    They're not set up in order for people to make money and have a second income! They exist so a community can buy, sell and trade in items specific to our shared interests.

    Many sales here are made in order to raise funds for worthy causes, it's good manners to donate to the every day running costs of the forum which you're using too because there of course is no staff and no ad based revenue either.

    I didn't mention anything about donating or that i was against it so not sure why this came up?

    There are people who hand make things, have successful small businesses and do make a nominal profit from their wares but this is encouraged because we'd all like to see bespoke and boutique products made by forum users... Forum users with a yellow star next to their username.

    Again, interesting but how is this relevant?

    If 'the market' were to fluctuate, we'd all know about it and we'd all be willing to pay what things are worth but I think you'll find if you held an item for several years until it's value had, in your opinion increased enough to warrant a sale at profit, you'd get called out. Some smart-arse will likely chime in with "This is overpriced. These were selling for less a while ago. Etc".

    Noone is saying to "hold an item for several years" - but if i buy a used antique item (such as a campagnolo scirocco front wheel) from this site, and then 6 years down the track (after having used it), i want to sell it - naturally it is even rarer than what it was 6 years before hand. I'm not saying the price is to double, but certain items will undoubtedly go up in price, regardless of whether that was the intention of the buyer or not..what's the point of selling it at less than the market value, just because you bought it cheaper 6 years before? Do you see where i'm getting at..i completely agree with the community feel, but if the value of my hypothetical scirocco front wheel goes up, i will sell it for what it is worth - which is normal in my opinion. Just as selling it for 1/10th of the price is, if they suddenly come back into production and there are thousands of new ones being sold on shelves.

    If you want to make a profit or gamble on the investments you've made, go to ebay.

    Again, completely missed the point.

  • completely missed the point.

    Yes.
    Yes you did.

  • Chickenleaverpuller - I didn't 'ask' you for £250 - you asked me how much I would take and I said £250 for quick sale so I could effectively swap for a pre cursa to test sizing. I was trying to do you a favour as I think the frame is worth more and is so nice to ride. Also Private Messages (the clue's in the name) should be just that.
    I was also going to give you a brand new park BB tool for the Veloce BB and yes, I paid £250.

  • No Saddle, Seatpost scrapped. No bars no stem. I added Campag seatbolt.
    And was going to throw in BB tool .......none of this is of any relevance whatsoever.
    I offered it to you Frameset , BB, seatbolt ,Record Headset at less than I think it's worth.
    I've just ordered the Dolan and BB and had to buy ahead stem and track bars so if someone would like the Santini ,Veloce BB, New Park BB tool, seatbolt, Record headset for £250 and bars ( Nitto B123aa ally NJS 36cm ) and stem (1a copy) for £40 they are more than welcome.

  • Yes.
    Yes you did.

    And by consciously misquoting me, you have proved your capability at reasoning - thanks! (:

  • No Saddle, Seatpost scrapped. No bars no stem. I added Campag seatbolt.
    And was going to throw in BB tool .......none of this is of any relevance whatsoever.
    I offered it to you Frameset , BB, seatbolt ,Record Headset at less than I think it's worth.
    I've just ordered the Dolan and BB and had to buy ahead stem and track bars so if someone would like the Santini ,Veloce BB, New Park BB tool, seatbolt, Record headset for £250 and bars ( Nitto B123aa ally NJS 36cm ) and stem (1a copy) for £40 they are more than welcome.

    No idea whats going on here but thats a bargain!

  • And by consciously misquoting me, you have proved your capability at reasoning - thanks! (:

    Ok, I'll rise to it.

    You sure as shit weren't misquoted.
    You typed those words.

    If you mean to suggest I took your words out of context in order to alter their meaning for the sake of humour, then you'd be right. That wasn't lost on you. Well done.

    I didn't mention anything about donating or that i was against it so not sure why this came up?

    I was attempting to highlight to you the fact that this forum is not-for-profit, has no adverts (despite offers) and has an unpaid staff. The intention of which was to bring to light the hypocrisy and questionable moral nature of using a self-governing, independent service provided to you for free in order to turn a profit when the people behind-the-scenes who make great pains to keep it going, in fact, make nothing whatsoever. They even at times, make a loss. That is to say, if you insist on using the forum for profit, it is good practice to donate (although, not essential). Even better still, simply don't use the forum for profit, pass your savings to other users who in turn will do the same for you.

    The mention of 'worthy causes' was in reference to the funds frequently raised here for charities, often directly benefitting cyclists. To break it down; we are a community of giving and sharing, not profiteering.

    Again, interesting but how is this relevant?

    Those few people with the skill and time to embark on often fruitless missions into niche market businesses utilising the forum as a customer base may be seen by a newcomer as people garnering profit from the community here. My intention was to quash that thought in advance because it is simply not the case. Big x Top or BRP for example sell their wares through the forum but in order to maintain a karmic balance, they offer heavily discounted products exclusively, prompt and direct customer service, advance notice of new releases, sometimes even taking onboard opinions for product development etc AND they donate back to the site which was provided to them for free in order to help with the costs of keeping it running.

    Noone is saying to "hold an item for several years" - but if i buy a used antique item (such as a campagnolo scirocco front wheel) from this site, and then 6 years down the track (after having used it), i want to sell it - naturally it is even rarer than what it was 6 years before hand. I'm not saying the price is to double, but certain items will undoubtedly go up in price, regardless of whether that was the intention of the buyer or not..what's the point of selling it at less than the market value, just because you bought it cheaper 6 years before? Do you see where i'm getting at..i completely agree with the community feel, but if the value of my hypothetical scirocco front wheel goes up, i will sell it for what it is worth - which is normal in my opinion. Just as selling it for 1/10th of the price is, if they suddenly come back into production and there are thousands of new ones being sold on shelves.

    Being purely an exchange of ideas and a discussion of principles, everything we're discussing here is hypothetical, hence my need to clarify with you in the first place...

    If your imaginary wheel is purchased from a forum user and subsequently increases in value, I'd suggest that in order to obtain that new, greater monetary value, you sell the item elsewhere rather than benefit from the forum twice (once with the initial saving you made, and a second time with the imaginary profit).

    I'm certain many users here (myself included) have opted at times to sell items elsewhere because they have a price in mind that doesn't sit within the ethos of sharing benefits amongst the forum.

    The greater point being brought to your attention is that we try our best not to rip each other off, either on purpose or by accident. Anyone who does, is quickly caught out and it tends not to happen again.

    Some consider it futile and others hold it in higher regard but the 'REP' function of the site comes into it's own when users attempt to sell. For demonstration purposes, and in order to give you reason to invoke Godwin's Law in your rebuttal, I've nerged you.

  • Heated discussion going on here - but why has nobody bought that Santini for that price? - Ultra-cheap for an Italian track frameset.

  • I concur!

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