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  • ^^ spot on J.

  • forgiveme if im talking shit, but seems like if the remover of the railings had just had a word there wouldnt have been objection, got sorted in due course its not an busy a road. theyre totally reasonable people.
    funny ill be riding past that in a few weeks C2C

  • Culture of immediacy innit? Maybe asked local ranger then just went ahead soon after couldn't wait for proper outcome. (speculation)

    Hope you see plenty of wildlife when you're there :)

  • hoping to see plenty of different hops mainly between riding

  • In what way exactly is this supposed to be an issue that affects cycling?

  • I don't know, but the twitter crowd will never miss a chance to have a pop at Sustrans it seems.

  • great comments from Adroit regarding the way L.As work (or dont work) in todays cycling weekly

  • ^ is this week the one with free tdf climbs book by simon warren aka 100 climbs? If so now 2 reasons to buy

  • nah

  • ok.

  • I met a town councillor out in the shires recently who was trying to increase levels of cycling participation. He was against total segregation and more interested in shared space. He was looking for good examples of recent shared space infrastructure in the UK that he could maybe visit or at least reference as examples of good practice. Also have CTC/LCC/Sustrans/Local Councils/anyone else done any analysis to see if changes in infrastructure had resulted in increased levels of cycling?

    I immediately thought of Hackney and the right honourable gentleman Oliver Schick. I was going to suggest the Councillor join here (he's a top bloke and won't be put off ripe language or any forum shenanigans) to tap into the expertise of Oliver and others. I hope thats OK.

    Apart from Hackney are there any other areas in the UK that are blazing a trail with shared space infrastucture that I could give him as good examples? Thanks.

    (Sorry I've not had time to read through all the pages of this thread but will forward the link to this thread and Skydancer's shared road space thread to the Councillor for him to go through in his own time)

  • "shared space" examples off the top of my head:

    New Road in Brighton
    Ashford (Kent) town centre
    Exhibition Road in Kensington
    Seven Dials in Covent Garden
    High Street, Shrewsbury (this dates from the mid 90s and predates the recent shared space fad. It was an early attempt at removing 'street clutter' and traffic calming through reinstating cobbles and adding 'courtesy crossings' for pedestrians. As it happened, most of the cobbles had to be removed because they didn't set them properly...)

    Living in Hackney, I can't think of any 100% shared space areas...? Maybe Broadway Market is meant to be a form of shared space these days?

    Anyway shared space is very much a design philosophy rather than strict set of rules. It will be interpreted differently in different places, according to the local traffic levels and 'solution' sought.

  • Thanks Bobby.

  • Living in Hackney, I can't think of any 100% shared space areas...? Maybe Broadway Market is meant to be a form of shared space these days?

    Anyway shared space is very much a design philosophy rather than strict set of rules..

    Exactly re the shared space philosophy point, which is why Hackney is a shared space borough and pretty unique in stealthily creating much space sharing without people like yourself even realising

  • ...without people like yourself...

    I talked about a lack of 100% shared space in Hackney, as opposed to using elements of the design philosophy in street redesign, which I freely admit are in many locations in the borough.

  • ^thanks rhb too, think I've seen that before. No mention of cyclists but the traffic clusterf**k in Poynton before the changes resembles the problems this particular town has.

  • Keep in mind Poynton has had a mixed reception by users.

  • Taken from a tweet by a campaign group

    People don't choose to cycle fast in Britain; they are forced to

    https://twitter.com/GBCycleEmbassy/status/476634030444912640

    Perhaps out of context in a fog of other tweets, but don't "people" choose to cycle fast? I see Pro-muters (aja f.k.w's) on a daily basis, are they forced to Pro-mute quickly on their Pinarrello Dogma but have latent desire to take longer over their journey each day?

    Anecdotally I don't feel forced to ride fast, especially at the times I choose to ride slow.

    That people are forced to ride fast is surely more likely to come from the time pressures of modern lifestyles that also result in motorists speeding, public transport users to feel frustrated, and people to tut loudly when queuing in shops etc?

  • I've recently changed my commute so that I go along rat runs instead of larger arterial roads and I notice that I ride a hell of a lot slower, not out of any complexity of the road systems I'm using, but because the environment is less stressful and there aren't motor vehicles right up my arse constantly, urging me to go faster.

    I believe that's what the Tweet is referring to. Yes, you can choose to go at 10mph on a Cycle Superhighway, but it's even less pleasant than it is at +15mph.

  • Being almost forrin here up north I don't get to experience the CS's so perhaps they're different in that respect. I ride as fast on my rat run vs the parkway, at the times I choose to ride fast. I do slow on the parkway shared path, this is due to peds, bus stops & junctions, not a conscious desire to ride slower (or a feeling I'm forced to ride faster in traffic).

    Perhaps interestingly at rush hour on the parkway I'd say I'm slower as filtering central and watching for lane changers.

    My journey speed (effort) is usually dictated by a combination of how fine I'm cutting it to reach destination on time & the prevailing wind.

  • Taking issue with John Forrester's 'a sprint speed of 20mph+ should be sufficient' as advised in Cyclecraft, too, I think. Nobody should feel they need to have that speed at their disposal.

  • Agree 20mph is alot to ask of many.

    Could also argue that nobody should feel they need to have segregated routes for their journeys to be "safe". Gets back to all road users education (and so behaviour) then rather than design and build around this.

    "People don't choose to drive recklessly in Britain. They are forced to." ?

  • I pootle wherever possible so that I have energy in reserve to give it the full fucking beans around the Aldgate nightmare. This is because I believe that if I don't overtake or accelerate faster than the buses, cabs trucks, vans and those awful commuter coaches I may well die.

  • Pretty much spot on, not going to navigated Vauxhall at 7mph.

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