MDCC - You're like a broken record. Every time this topic comes up, you say the same thing. Performance/engineering, usability/ergonomics, aesthetics/styling - to make a successful product, you need all three. Yes, pretty sketches do not ensure good cars, I never said they did. Dyson's engineering was great, but without the styling it would never have become a household name. You may not understand why aesthetics are so important, but they are - as someone who does this for a living I have tried to explain it to you many times.
Besides, did you even read what I wrote? It doesn't matter that art-school bikes don't work - they aren't supposed to work, they're not real bikes! The bike's just an arbitrary vessel for their aesthetic talent. Like I said, criticising art school students for making impossible bikes is like criticising engineering students for not making their turbochargers pretty enough. These people are specialists, they don't have time to fuck around making 'functional' objects when nobody is going to hire them on that basis.
You may think that 'art school wankers' should stay well away from cycle design, but every big company in the cycle business (or any other product business) disagrees with you. You are welcome to disagree but I'm not sure where the substance of your viewpoint comes from.
Edit - and stop being so rude about art school students. Every time you post in this thread you call them wankers. You're entitled to your opinion but there's no need to be a twat about it, is there? There are a fair few on LFGSS. Sorry they touched your precious bicycles.
MDCC - You're like a broken record. Every time this topic comes up, you say the same thing. Performance/engineering, usability/ergonomics, aesthetics/styling - to make a successful product, you need all three. Yes, pretty sketches do not ensure good cars, I never said they did. Dyson's engineering was great, but without the styling it would never have become a household name. You may not understand why aesthetics are so important, but they are - as someone who does this for a living I have tried to explain it to you many times.
Besides, did you even read what I wrote? It doesn't matter that art-school bikes don't work - they aren't supposed to work, they're not real bikes! The bike's just an arbitrary vessel for their aesthetic talent. Like I said, criticising art school students for making impossible bikes is like criticising engineering students for not making their turbochargers pretty enough. These people are specialists, they don't have time to fuck around making 'functional' objects when nobody is going to hire them on that basis.
You may think that 'art school wankers' should stay well away from cycle design, but every big company in the cycle business (or any other product business) disagrees with you. You are welcome to disagree but I'm not sure where the substance of your viewpoint comes from.
Edit - and stop being so rude about art school students. Every time you post in this thread you call them wankers. You're entitled to your opinion but there's no need to be a twat about it, is there? There are a fair few on LFGSS. Sorry they touched your precious bicycles.