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@Rowhan
Problem I've got is, the 2 rings do cost about 80 combined which is fine*. That's comfortably affordable for a worthwhile and pretty big upgrade from the r565 crankset I bought from eBay for £45 new. The whole new crankset for just over £121 is stretching the budget quite a bit though but its a completely new chainset... Arrghh
*not really fine, but I'll put up with it if I have to