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  • Fasteddy: hats is a pretty experienced rider already, who rides competently and not like a dick. If she even reckoned that your clubmates riding was sub-par she probably has a point. Even if she didn't, if she was left with that perception: perhaps that's something for you to think about?

    Maybe you should just take her comments on board, instead of trying to turn her feedback back round and criticise her 'road-craft' (sic) for daring to voice her opinion, if you are genuinely keen to learn?

    Ben makes a good point, which is in that context that style of riding was ill judged at best, even if no specific wrongs were committed. A family friendly randonée is not the place to practice 'club style' riding. Most people on that ride are not happy and confident to 'knock elbows' precisely because they haven't learnt what riding in 'close proximity' entails and how to do it. Has that thought even crossed your mind?

    Probably not because in your head your team mates can do no wrong and are on the Pope's fast track list for canonisation...

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