Cycle campaigning

There's a discussion on STW about the Sustrans guide, similar stances taken there.

The best summary I've read so far is words aling lines of Sustrans Pragmatism vs Others' Idealism.

Think that's kinda also your point J, or would you say otherwise?

^^^ What about the stress for an on-road cyclist that is generated by ignorant drivers expecting us to be confined to a separate segregated lane, giving them a legitimate (albeit false) stick to beat cyclists with?

The problem, which I'm amazed isn't picked up more often, is nothing to do with infrastructure, or cyclists of any stripe - it is with bad/lazy/ignorant drivers who put peoples live at risk; and are tacitly accepted by society. I would much prefer campaigning to focus on changing this perception, but I doubt it will ever happen

@Branwen, yes, but thats just what people *do*arseholes exist everywhere, and we get along with them all day, at work, in offices, on the phone, because we do, we have to.
@RHB the trannies might be pragmatic, but they surf the fine line of approval, being largely funded by the govt, streams, and wont ever campaign hard fro segregation.
youre comment about never seeing a charity with a mission statement that says 'we hope to not have to exist in 5 years' (because everyone cycles and the car culture is broken) has stayed with me-
this is the shit in my view- we share the roads, behaviour breeds behaviour,
deal with it.
gotta go liitle island ride to do in the morning