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That's the thing, I can't find any OTP with the exact kind of specification I look for, except for the Elephants, the price is higher than an OTP but really cheap for a custom frame that have been tried and tested (£950), even better value with the additional free upgrade to the fillet brazing.
I found a handful of low trail 650b OTP bicycle, but they're a standard rims brake version rather than disc.
Soma Grand Randonneur, like nearly all the Soma frame, (except the Rivendell designed San Marcos) is long and low*, doesn't really fit a lots of people.
*exactly like Surly, just slightly less stack.