Podium & Hardcourtbikepolo.org

I'll happily join and pay $10, if they integrate the basic player,team and tourney management in a visible way, and they fix the T&Cs issue.

I'm sure Vince will love the feedback: email@podiumbikepolo.com

Found https://www.podiumbikepolo.com/archive

LO 2011 http://podiumbikepolo.com/london

Bristol NS 2012 [404]
UK&Ire Euro-qualifiers 2012 (Newington) [404]
EHBPC 2012 (PARIS) [404]

Epiphanie 2013 http://podiumbikepolo.com/epiphanie2013
Bristol Open 2013 http://podiumbikepolo.com/bristolopen2013
UKChamps + Euro-Qualifiers 2013 (Cambridge) http://podiumbikepolo.com/ukhbpc2013
EHBPC Wildcard 2013 (Krakow) http://podiumbikepolo.com/ehbpc2013wildcard
Canterbury Open 2013 http://podiumbikepolo.com/PoloPilgrimage
Le Grand Royal 2013 http://podiumbikepolo.com/legrandroyal

Can't click through from Players in podium brackets :-(

I'm sure Vince will love the feedback: email@podiumbikepolo.com

Podium needs moar Github/gitorious/bitbucket/googlecode.

i'm sandbagging this shit.

oddly in the bristol 2013 tourney in podium archive i apparently played in 2 teams and no results are recorded

Cheat!

oddly in the bristol 2013 tourney in podium archive i apparently played in 2 teams and no results are recorded

I see Colon Cologne, 4/1/0.

There's also "Ben" in "Hinkley Point..." that was Beagle but might not be mapped properly.

nice one for finding this https://www.podiumbikepolo.com/archive
I just spent ages going back through last year.

Me too.

Thanks John, I'll do that.

This might not be the right thread to ask this question, but I was wondering why teams are seeded in stead of randomly order in tournaments.

Easier to refine a seeded order than to achieve a fair best-to-worst ranking having started with a randomised series.

As you increase the number of rounds, the effect of the initial seeding is reduced.

sorry my mistake I meant in the first round

i guess an infinate number of swiss rounds is the best way to sort out ranking, but thats obviously not possible. a bit of seeding beforehand speed this up?

I guess so ... but you need to have a good / real data / stats for that before that. Not having it like know it benefices some teams and prejudice others

A better question would be, how accurate has seeding in tournies been?

The value of seeding the first round (should give more accuracy in less rounds) is in direct proportion to how good the seeding is.

As almost all Swiss rounds are precursors to knockouts, it doesn't really make that much difference!

Anyone got detailed NS results for 2011-2013 and UK champs results for 2010-2012? Apart from Bristol and Canterbury, there aren't many "national" level datapoints for the UK.

Seems to match with tourneys that were using Challonge.

UK Champs 2012:
Champions: Spring break
2nd: Nice touch Maybe
3rd: Cosmic

 4th: Dead rappers   

5th: 5G, Black stabbath
7th: Bangarang, Tornaboges
9th: Team warin, Antlers, Skull attack,Passed it
13th: Thumbs up, Codename: duchess, Bubonic plays, Sirens
17th: Troika!, Your mum, Risky business, Heretics, Party bkk

Need game results for it to be useful data.

i guess an infinate number of swiss rounds is the best way to sort out ranking, but thats obviously not possible. a bit of seeding beforehand speed this up?

No, Swiss stops working not much further than log 2 of the number of teams, as after that point the pairings start to diverge (unless you allow for repititions every certain number of rounds).

Round Robin is the ideal.

A better question would be, how accurate has seeding in tournies been?

The value of seeding the first round (should give more accuracy in less rounds) is in direct proportion to how good the seeding is.

As almost all Swiss rounds are precursors to knockouts, it doesn't really make that much difference!

If I say so myself, as the person who seeded the Geneva Worlds, Krakow Worlds, and loads of other tournaments, I think my seeding has been pretty good, when you compare results to initial seedings.

But it's still my personal opinion, and it could be a case of my seeding given the teams who did well an advantage. It's much better to have a statistics based seeding, maybe making small adjustments for special cases. For example Wimbledon uses the world tennis ranking results, but then adjusts the seeding for past winners, grass court specialists, Brits, etc...

But using statistics relies on lots of data, and given a higher value to the most recent results. The amount of data in Podium for the average player isn't quite there yet. When everyone has 10+ tournaments, it should be better.

But your final point is very important. No-one wins the tournament on Saturday. It's just a seeding round for the real tournament which starts Sunday morning. That's the point where seeding has to be accurate, and that's based on actual results.

Found https://www.podiumbikepolo.com/archive

Well that's an hour of my life gone.

Evidently, somebody got time fo' that!

#funemployment

Did you also watch all the videos that B posted on the videos thread?

I didn't watch them all last night! :)

ha!!