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^^ hmmmm, i know ck will happen eventually, just got to wait for one to come along.
For the hubs, i dunno, i really like the idea of a bolt on, lowest you can go on a bolt on cog is 15t/16t so if i ever want to use the hubs for track i can just put on a fat off chainring... and velosolo do a lifelong warranty on their cogs where if you wear them out you send it back to them and they replace it for free.
plus i've got my mind set on an idea i want to try out, that i could basically take the bike apart with a small multi tool in a worst case scenario, and the mack's with disc cog would let me do that